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#21
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Hear ye, noble warriors of the Trollgame,
 
For over a decade, we have ridden side by side, through wars and triumphs, forging alliances, defending our strongholds, and capturing enemy castles. Our server has been the grand arena where we've spilled blood, sweat, and tears, battling valiantly on our steeds. It's been a realm of honor, camaraderie, and unyielding spirit.
 
Alas, dark clouds gather on the horizon. Our coffers, which have funded our grand battles and majestic feasts, are depleting. I must, with a heavy heart, lay bare the stark truth of our realm's fate. Without the gold from our generous patrons, the gates of our beloved server may be forced to close by the dawn of 2024.
 
To Arms, Brave Souls!: If you can, please consider donating. Every bit helps to keep our battles alive and our community strong.
https://www.buymeacoffee.com/trollgame
 
Join the Rulers: If you're interested in becoming a partner and sharing the responsibility of our server, or if you have other proposals to ensure our realm thrives, I invite you to send me a private message here on the community forum. Together, we can decide the future and keep our world alive.
 
Share Your Ideas: Your counsel and strategies are invaluable. If you have suggestions to help or innovative ways to support our server's existence, please step forth and speak up. Again, you can reach out to me directly through a private message on the forum. Every voice matters.
 
So, to all our brave knights and noble warriors, let's come together. Let's make sure our battles, our friendships, and our stories continue for many more years.
 
Thank you for being part of our journey.
 
With respect,
 
William__Wallace

 

Hi, wanted to pm you but i thought it's better for it to be public, since this is a community-related topic thus they must be aware of what crucial, potential changes are being suggested (just imo, others can pm you if they want), since some of things i'll say, others might not like & in this way they'll have their chance to speak against these changes (you're the host so your decision at the end, but some suggestions are related to post-tgshotdown, which might make those specific choices more like everyone's decisions since you won't be hosting servers anymore). Also, so we can collect our ideas & buildup on eachothers' to hopefully find a better alternative than the full closure of tg or the disperse of the playerbase.

Apart from the obvious donating which's the ideal solution, got 3 solutions which are for if the donations still don't cover the monthly server costs.


Before starting with solutions, the forum's almost a ghost town so I wouldn't be suprised if none else comes to chime in. While here you did give us a clear notice of the future, I think this isn't being shared well enough in other places to make more people aware of it, & thus increase the chances of the shutdown being prevented or delayed. What can be done about that is:
1) You can (maybe twice a month) do "@everyone" in tg discord announcements channel, with a link to this topic & a concise message on what to expect. You can write for example something like "with the current        insufficient support/donations, tg servers may shutdown in x months. For more info & to engage in this topic **forum topic link**. To help keep the servers alive **PayPal or BuyMeACoffe or both links**". You gotta write      a short descriptive message like that, if you only put the topic link most people may not bother open it, thus stay in the dark longer.
2) Or if you want the public conversations (not the private ones through your pm) about this to be in discord instead (discord's more active), you can instead copy-paste this latest tg update message of yours into the                "announcments" tab while doing "@everyone" (dont forget to mention paypal option too), and can also create a new channel there dedicated solely to the tg shutdown discussions.
3) You can also do both options above but anyways in all cases, there can also be a frequent, automatic in-game message in all tg servers (maybe whenever we join a server), that state something short                    like "tg servers may shutdown in x months. Visit **forum link** for more info or to help keep the servers up".
 


Possible Solutions:
Solution 1 - Afaik, the more servers hosted the higher the costs, right? You can already guess what this is about - maybe there can be a middle ground instead of either keeping all servers running or shutting them all                               down. Maybe sacrifice 1,2 or even 3 of least popular ones to keep the others alive. least popular ones would be duel, invasion & battle (not cpt battle). I play tg invasion frequently so i dont like this either,  but                       desperate times.
Solution 2 - We open game browser, we see like over 80% percent of empty native servers that need inhabitants. Why do hosts of these servers keep them alive if there aren't players there? Isn't that a waste of money? If                   monthly funds still aren't  enough to cover the costs of tg, maybe we have 2 options:
                 A ) The hosts of some of these servers redirect their servers' funds to tg servers instead, since their servers can't live without players & tg servers cant live without funds (and each has what the other needs).
                       Now obviously that's still 100% the decision of these hosts & if they still want to keep empty servers running, it's their money & their choice. I just think it would also be better for them to pay for something                         that actaully attracts players, isn't that the reason they  keep their empty servers alive??
                 B )  Mass immigrating to these empty servers after tg shutdown. What I'm saying here is not saving tg servers themselves, but its playerbase, to prevent it from dispersing into other random servers/modules & to                         find new home for. There will be lots of problems with this, but at that point we won't have a better option. Some of these problems include (won't mention everything):
                        >> Neoeogk the trollpatch version, may not fully or even partially work in some servers. TPNeogk working is really important since it gives much life to the server, especially with the voicelines.
                        >> Probably not much info on how to contact the owners/hosts of these empty servers, also we'd need their permission to change server settings/maps to ones closest to the familiar tg ones, and make                                   them compatibile with neogkTP (if that's possible, idk). If they just pay for their empty servers & forget about them, i think they wouldn't care much about us changing them to how we want & would                                 allow it (if  they themselves don't play).
                        >> The community dividing over which servers to join & therefore there'll be multiple servers with players (of same gamemode) but they'll have less players than 1 server having them all. They could                                            divide over ping, server capacity, maps or any other reason. Therefore whichever servers we choose to move to, it has to be clearly announced on this forum & discord so everyone's on same page on                                    where we're going. There'll be different opinions on where we should go with each server, but since (afaik) tg servers are one of the most popular in native (meaning most people prefere                                                    them over others), imo a generally accepted approach would be the servers we go to have to be the closest we can get to tg ones in the aspects of ping, capacity, settings,                                                                      and ofc full neogkTP compatability.
                              I did some research on the ingame servers to find potential/promising ones for all gamemodes tg has now. Keep in mind i had the "compatibile with this module" filter  checked while I was on latest                                            NeogkTP, and the only things I took note of in those servers were ping & capacity only. At the time of writing, these are the results:
 
                             INVASION, BATTLE, DUEL: servers available with same ping & same or more capacity (in solotution 1#, if you shutdown any or all of those 3 servers to cut costs, these 3 new ones are probably the                                       closest we can get to them. it's a good compromise imo). There's also the ludus server (duel) which is even more popular than tg duel.
                             SEIGE: available with around 5 ping-difference & 120 player-capacity (enough except for rare cases or events).
                             DEATHMATCH: 
                             A  )  Same ping & 128 capacity. That server (called HYPER_ARENA) has players sometimes so it may be alot harder there to make it as tg arena server.
                             B )   Around 10 ping-difference & 32 player-capacity.
                             C )  Around 100 ping difference & 64 player-capacity (100 higher in my case, like they're located in usa).
                             CPT BATTLE: No specific filter for it in server filters, so hard to recognize if there are any among the servers with gametype "battle".
                                       
Again, the best option that'd avoid all this, is simply if there are enough donations that they always cover the monthly costs - not just for few months then we're back to square one.

FInal edit in january/2024: some things i said might be obvious common sense, but it was just incase, since I've had countless experiences where ppl don't do/think the common sense thing in some situations, thus not taking full advantage of what they can do to get the best possible result

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above text might be misaligned to varying degrees for each person. Spent over an hour to perfect it yet it randomly becomes misaligned again. i give up 


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id donate if there were some alternative payment methods

i dont feel like filling up the credit card info



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id donate if there were some alternative payment methods

i dont feel like filling up the credit card info

 

Payment is via Stripe, third party websites (certainly not TG) don't get any of your info



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People that want to give support but don't feel like using their ordinary credit/debit card on buymecoffee. Use a prepaid card connected to a big card companies instead. Many stores have them.



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Hi, wanted to pm you but i thought it's better for it to be public, since this is a community-related topic thus they must be aware of what crucial, potential changes are being suggested (just imo, others can pm you if they want), since some of things i'll say, others might not like & in this way they'll have their chance to speak against these changes (you're the host so your decision at the end, but some suggestions are related to post-tgshotdown, which might make those specific choices more like everyone's decisions since you won't be hosting servers anymore). Also, so we can collect our ideas & buildup on eachothers' to hopefully find a better alternative than the full closure of tg or the disperse of the playerbase.

Apart from the obvious donating which's the ideal solution, got 3 solutions which are for if the donations still don't cover the monthly server costs.


Before starting with solutions, the forum's almost a ghost town so I wouldn't be suprised if none else comes to chime in. While here you did give us a clear notice of the future, I think this isn't being shared well enough in other places to make more people aware of it, & thus increase the chances of the shutdown being prevented or delayed. What can be done about that is:
1) You can (maybe once a week) do "@everyone" in tg discord announcements channel, with a link to this topic & a concise message on what to expect. You can write for example something like "with the current        insufficient support/donations, tg servers may shutdown in x months. For more info & to engage in this topic **forum topic link**. To help keep the servers alive **PayPal or BuyMeACoffe or both links**". You gotta write      a short descriptive message like that, if you only put the topic link most people may not bother open it, thus stay in the dark longer.
2) Or if you want the public conversations (not the private ones through your pm) about this to be in discord instead (discord's more active), you can instead copy-paste this latest tg update message of yours into the                "announcments" tab while doing "@everyone" (dont forget to mention paypal option too), and can also create a new channel there dedicated solely to the tg shutdown discussions.
3) You can also do both options above but anyways in all cases, there can also be a frequent, automatic in-game message in all tg servers (maybe whenever we join a server), that state something short                    like "tg servers may shutdown in x months. Visit **forum link** for more info or to help keep the servers up".
 


Possible Solutions:
Solution 1 - Afaik, the more servers hosted the higher the costs, right? You can already guess what this is about - maybe there can be a middle ground instead of either keeping all servers running or shutting them all                               down. Maybe sacrifice 1,2 or even 3 of least popular ones to keep the others alive. least popular ones would be duel, invasion & battle (not cpt battle). I play tg invasion frequently so i dont like this either,  but                       desperate times.
Solution 2 - We open game browser, we see like over 80% percent of empty native servers that need inhabitants. Why do hosts of these servers keep them alive if there aren't players there? Isn't that a waste of money? If                   monthly funds still aren't  enough to cover the costs of tg, maybe we have 2 options:
                 A ) The hosts of some of these servers redirect their servers' funds to tg servers instead, since their servers can't live without players & tg servers cant live without funds (and each has what the other needs).
                       Now obviously that's still 100% the decision of these hosts & if they still want to keep empty servers running, it's their money & their choice. I just think it would also be better for them to pay for something                         that actaully attracts players, isn't that the reason they  keep their empty servers alive??
                 B )  Mass immigrating to these empty servers after tg shutdown. What I'm saying here is not saving tg servers themselves, but its playerbase, to prevent it from dispersing into other random servers/modules & to                         find new home for. There will be lots of problems with this, but at that point we won't have a better option. Some of these problems include (won't mention everything):
                        >> Neoeogk the trollpatch version, may not fully or even partially work in some servers. TPNeogk working is really important since it gives much life to the server, especially with the voicelines.
                        >> Probably not much info on how to contact the owners/hosts of these empty servers, also we'd need their permission to change server settings/maps to ones closest to the familiar tg ones, and make                                   them compatibile with neogkTP (if that's possible, idk). If they just pay for their empty servers & forget about them, i think they wouldn't care much about us changing them to how we want & would                                 allow it (if  they themselves don't play).
                        >> The community dividing over which servers to join & therefore there'll be multiple servers with players (of same gamemode) but they'll have less players than 1 server having them all. They could                                            divide over ping, server capacity, maps or any other reason. Therefore whichever servers we choose to move to, it has to be clearly announced on this forum & discord so everyone's on same page on                                    where we're going. There'll be different opinions on where we should go with each server, but since (afaik) tg servers are one of the most popular in native (meaning most people prefere                                                    them over others), imo a generally accepted approach would be the servers we go to have to be the closest we can get to tg ones in the aspects of ping, capacity, settings,                                                                      and ofc full neogkTP compatability.
                              I did some research on the ingame servers to find potential/promising ones for all gamemodes tg has now. Keep in mind i had the "compatibile with this module" filter  checked while I was on latest                                            NeogkTP, and the only things I took note of in those servers were ping & capacity only. At the time of writing, these are the results:
 
                             INVASION, BATTLE, DUEL: servers available with same ping & same or more capacity (in solotution 1#, if you shutdown any or all of those 3 servers to cut costs, these 3 new ones are probably the                                       closest we can get to them. it's a good compromise imo). There's also the ludus server (duel) which is even more popular than tg duel.
                             SEIGE: available with around 5 ping-difference & 120 player-capacity (enough except for rare cases or events).
                             DEATHMATCH: 
                             A  )  Same ping & 128 capacity. That server (called HYPER_ARENA) has players sometimes so it may be alot harder there to make it as tg arena server.
                             B )   Around 10 ping-difference & 32 player-capacity.
                             C )  Around 100 ping difference & 64 player-capacity (100 higher in my case, like they're located in usa).
                             CPT BATTLE: No specific filter for it in server filters, so hard to recognize if there are any among the servers with gametype "battle".
                                       
Again, the best option that'd avoid all this, is simply if there are enough donations that they always cover the monthly costs - not just for few months then we're back to square one.

 

Thanks for your proposals. Actually, some of them have already been implemented. And some things were added on to of that to make it better:

  • We've added in-game and in-discord announcements. So if people are playing, they should know about that. Probably we'll add some regular in-Discord notification.
  • Not much, but we've got some funds from loyal players. This will help us to live until February.
  • We've moved to cheaper server. Though it has required some time and money, we could save about 20 eur per month without quality loss! So, I've updated monthly goal from 96eur to 76eur. Adding to it, the server should work even better and potentially provide less bugs then the old one. But sure, it will take some time to optimize it.
  • I've adjusted a bit buymeacoffee account, so if you subscribe on monthly basis, I'll get automatically supporter group on Discord.
  • Another thing, which is kinda important is one-time support vs monthly subscription. Monthly support is very important for us, as we pay for the server on monthly basis. To cover all monthly server needs its really enough 15 people with 5eur monthly subscribtion. So If you like our server and play regularly, please consider the subscription. Its also clear to see the current level of support with subscriptions on this page: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/trollgame in the bottom right corner (goals)


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id donate if there were some alternative payment methods

i dont feel like filling up the credit card info

Buymeacoffee is the best and safest option, as it uses big and trusted companies for payments, like Stripe. But if you can't support us via this platform for some reason, you can always PM me about that here on the forum.



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🏰 Great News from the Battlefield! 🏰


Thanks to the heroic efforts of our incredible supporters, our medieval kingdom will continue to thrive and battle until the 1st of March! Your support has been like a mighty shield against the siege of financial woes.


A massive shoutout to our valiant heroes: smuleblid, old_mannn, hotb0y, ChivalrousRoaminKnight, NOCTURNE, peppelau, Saddoveanu, Butze, Traitor522 🛡️. Your generosity has not only saved our castle but has also inspired tales that will be told for ages. We send you our best wishes and hope your swords stay sharp and your steeds swift!


But, brave warriors, the war is not yet won. Our kingdom still needs your strength and support. While one-time aid is like a powerful catapult, a monthly support subscription is the steady supply line that keeps our fortress strong. Your ongoing support can be our unbreachable wall!


Since December 2023 each monthly support subscriber will automatically get supporter rank in our Discord channel, thanks to Buymeacoffee & Discord integration. Also, if you did 25 eur or more in 2023, just PM me and get the supporter rank!
 

Even the smallest contribution can forge a big difference. It's not just about keeping the server alive; it's about keeping our community's spirit soaring high!

Together, we can ensure that our battles, laughter, and camaraderie continue beyond the horizon. Here's to a long and glorious life for our community!


For the realm! For glory! For Freedom!


William Wallace 🛡️🗡️🐎


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An Urgent Call to Arms for Our Beloved Community

Dear Warriors,
 
In the chill of February, our stronghold faced its most perilous challenge yet. Since our last rally for support in December, the winds of fortune barely whispered our way, leaving us teetering on the brink of closure this March. Yet, in our darkest hour, heroes among us— KOTEHOK_B_TAHKE, Smuleblid, SirSingerOfNickelback, Aura, Butze, and Metro —stepped forward to light our path to June. Your valor has not gone unnoticed, and our gratitude knows no bounds .
 

The reprieve we've secured is but a temporary shelter from the storm. The shadows of uncertainty loom large on the horizon. Our current fortifications are but temporary; without change, our gates may fall come June. Presently, only two steadfast guardians commit to our cause through regular contributions on our BuyMeACoffee platform, covering a mere 13% of our monthly necessities. The reality of our situation is stark, displayed for all to see in the right bottom corner of our BuyMeACoffee page .

 

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Yet, in adversity, there lies opportunity. Should 15 champions pledge their support, our community will not just endure; it will thrive. With 20, our future will be as secure as the strongest fortress . Thus, we call upon you, our loyal comrades, to consider a subscription—the price of a mere cup of coffee each month—to ensure the longevity of our beloved realm ☕.

 

Let us band together, not just for the game we cherish, but for the community that has become our second home . Let us secure our legacy, so that for years to come, new warriors may find refuge and camaraderie within our walls ⚔.

 

Stand with us. Keep our community alive. Keep our freedom eternal.

 

For the realm! For glory! For Freedom!

 

William Wallace




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