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Tutorial: How to create maps with NeoGK


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As I have noticed, also with three flags there comes a system with some invisible barriers and gatedoors disappearing upon a given flag being captured. That being said, I hope that KingArthur will reveal the missing information, thereby patching the gap in our knowledge of the NeoGK-augmented Native module.



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I have found the solution on my own, there is no need for KingArthur to reply to this thread, save for a brief commentary about barrier_16m and door_b and maybe other props and their var_no1 and var_no2 values.

  1. For the flag that will be captured first, the Entry Point is 68,
  2. for the flag that will be captured second, the Entry Point is 67,
  3. for the flag that will be captured third, the Entry Point is 66.

There are primarily two props that disappear upon a given flag being captured: barrier_16m and door_b; I do not know about any other ones besides these. However, it is not known to me about their var_no1 and var_no2 and their values that get triggered when a given flag is captured; since I checked those props in Rochester Castle and Minas Tirith I assume and am not entirely sure that for the door_b prop var_no1=1 enables the vanishing of the prop and var_no2=1 or 2 or 3 force the prop to vanish after the respective checkpoints are passed. For the barrier_16m prop in Rochester Castle its properties went as follows: the var_no1=10 and var_no2=1; same prop with such properties was not found in Minas Tirith. Since on the former map there was only one kind of such prop with same properties, I have not enough data to juxtapose with each other and deduce what var_no1 and var_no2 values of the barrier_16m prop enable. For var_no1=10 I have no idea, var_no2=1 maybe forces the prop to disappear after the respective flag is taken.

 

If making a large scene for siege, it is useful to use the barrier_8m prop and its properties, so that the attackers do not have to walk endlessly from the original spawn point. One has to place it onto terrain that will be walked on the highest amount of times, in order to ensure that said prop will trigger the closest spawns for the attacking team's members.

  • var_no1=10 - checkpoint (hereinbelow called "CP") floor 1 - if the attackers step onto this prop with such properties, then their allies spawn from Entry Points 70-79,
  • var_no1=11 - CP floor 2 - if the attackers step onto this prop with such properties, then their allies spawn from Entry Points 80-89,
  • var_no1=12 - CP floor 3 - if the attackers step onto this prop with such properties, then their allies spawn from Entry Points 90-99.

A person that passes a given CP gets some bonus gold. The order of CPs goes as follows: 1<2<3, therefore they are still effective after the next one is passed, but not stepped onto, according to a not well-written and grammatically incorrect sentence - that was later rephrased by myself - by a NeoGK documentator or developer. The part of my rephrased sentence that is underlined might be neither true nor apt, but that is because of the bad wording of the person responsible for documenting the NeoGK modification, although I used my reasoning and logic skills to the best of my ability and perhaps I captured the essence of said sentence while using better words. 

 

Truly yours,

Veledentella


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Can anyone add the list of guides for all the destructible food barrels/chests , VarNo VarNo2 codes for trees you can cut to make passage, and the list of spawning weapons from apples. Lost an old guide blackdeath gave me once but maybe someone got access or experience to share it?


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This official guide you mean?

 

Attached File  NeoGK Features Guide.txt   56.33KB   19 downloads


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This official guide you mean?

 

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ah thats the one thx


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Thanks. It was basically just some searching and copying & pasting (with some editing). Pretty fun, although a bit disappointing since only partially successful. I just wonder why they did not enabled those props in Warband map editor natively. They are all fully textured and majority of them also have physics object. It's a pity. Take that big stone dome-like structure. On one hand, its Outside object is available, but, on the other hand, its exact Inside counterpart is absenting. I heard (not sure if it's true) that the max amount of scene props, which can be initiated, is limited; so, maybe, they just wanted to save some spots for props potentially added by other mods subsequently…

 

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Anyway, if someone has an idea about that native-compatibility fix, please write your suggestion. And if anyone is interested, I can share the compiled scene props list so you can test it by yourself (if that would be allowed eventually). Also, if anyone has Armağan's e-mail, so we can contact TW directly, and ask them to patch the native-compatibility in 1.174 version, that would be nice too :).

 

Those building interiors are not actual “scene props”. They are some models from the resource files.

 
Look into this for better explanation, those lines are from .txt file of scenes, it’s a random castle interior:
 
   scn_town_3_castle town_3_castle 1 castle_h_interior_b bo_castle_h_interior_b -100.000000 -100.000000 100.000000 100.000000 -100.000000 0 
     1  100000 
     1  466 
    0 
 
 
And this is how a random multiplayer scene is written:
 
   scn_multi_scene_5 multi_scene_5 256 none none 0.000000 0.000000 100.000000 100.000000 -100.000000 0x000000023002a1ba0004210900003ca000006a8900007a7b 
     0 
     0 
    outer_terrain_plain 
 
 
You may notice, there are some differences in them. Interiors don’t have terrain code and outer terrain, and there is a part that indicates the used model as map template in interior scene.
 
“castle_h_interior_b” This is the name of that model in resource file, and “bo_castle_h_interior_b” is the “collision” of that mesh, it determines the shape of that model:
Attached File  collision.PNG   33.39KB   0 downloads   Attached File  mesh.PNG   104.82KB   0 downloads
 
“mesh” shows us the shape of model, but “collision” gives the actual shape. Player can just walk through meshes without collision. Collision is needed to give an actual physical shape but it's not essential since you can give physical shape by barriers too, you can just replace "0" with the collision part. And also not every model has "collision" too, it's for scene props mostly.
Since those are models picked from resource file, we can put any other model from resources; scene props, plants, weapons or even map icons. We can use any of those as our blank map’s template:
 
Attached File  20220422002651_1.jpg   40.21KB   0 downloads   Attached File  20220422002106_1.jpg   31.83KB   0 downloads
 
This axe model is from old Mount&Blade but still in original game resource files, we can even use those unused models:
Attached File  20220422003250_1.jpg   29.37KB   0 downloads  
 
The thing we do here is placing a model from resource files, it doesn't matter if it's an interior or something else.
But those models can’t be moved, rotated or scaled, they’re not scene props. They will be placed on x,y,z:0 coordinates and we will place the scene props on it.
And if you use a model for map template, there won’t be any terrain like other interior scenes. And if you want to use those interior models, you will sacrifice existence of terrain.
 

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Oof I was looking forward into making use of one of these, but if that means no ground ehh :[


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