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[BlackDeath]

Adding few more info-help using siege weapons to destroy walls or enemy weapons:

• Only 1 shot from catapult or trebuchet to another trebuchet (enemy) is enough to destroy it, if you hit it properly ofc, and if fails maybe because lag, or because you need little bit more precission aiming it (use B key for better/slower aim, as @Lenna said above)
• Not all walls can be destroyed in all maps, this depends of what was the idea of author, and how much walls he enabled to be destroyed, and at same time, not all walls have same hp value. As a standard or default, central/frontal builds/walls like gate have higher hp, and all at sides are decreasing in hp, proportionally to distance of gate (more far from gate = more weak)
• Finally, add to this that I said above: lag sometimes causes that shots fails, so maybe you need more hits to destroy a same wall, in diferent ocassions that you can play that same map.

understand better now?

[Kapitan_Pronin]

I think that if everything is fine with you, then my hands are crooked. Good luck

[Baron_Jan_Willem_XVII]

Extra layer of defense in Beach Defense is too potent. Need to keep in mind that a lot of people aren't that skilled, does it matter much if people beat a siege quickly? Some bit of fun for them, not so much for siege defenders. But it is not going to be a whole lot of fun if the defenders keep winning consistently due to too much choke points and barriers in place, balancing goes in favour of the defenders lately.

[Horatius]

Extra layer of defense in Beach Defense is too potent. Need to keep in mind that a lot of people aren't that skilled, does it matter much if people beat a siege quickly? Some bit of fun for them, not so much for siege defenders. But it is not going to be a whole lot of fun if the defenders keep winning consistently due to too much choke points and barriers in place, balancing goes in favour of the defenders lately.

Because the attackers win 70-90% and beach defense has a really high defender loss rate.

[GrafBlade]

Extra layer of defense in Beach Defense is too potent. Need to keep in mind that a lot of people aren't that skilled, does it matter much if people beat a siege quickly? Some bit of fun for them, not so much for siege defenders. But it is not going to be a whole lot of fun if the defenders keep winning consistently due to too much choke points and barriers in place, balancing goes in favour of the defenders lately.

 

It also comes down to something like "get used to how to defend this map"-stuff.

 

On a run yesterday (Vaegirs defending vs Rhodoks) we've captured the castle quite fast (with like 5 minutes to go) as we made a massive attack from the left side, which was sparsely defended by Vaegirs. We took out

half of their ballistas and their archers sitting at the inner ring and we won easily.

Next round they were prepared and had a way better balance in their concentration on choke points. And if Vaegirs are getting this done then it's almost impossible to capture any "castle" from them.

 

Saying this to clearify that Beach Defence is definitely easier to defend now, but let's see how this works out on other faction combinations.

 

Nevertheless, I also agree that placing barriers and stuff shouldn't be overdone, especially on maps where no life-limit is given to defenders (Or like 8 lifes that's not helping at all

[KingArthur]

I think the balance is ok now. All wooden barriers can be destroyed. Plus, the map was played with 160 players yesterday.

[Falcon]

If the gatehouse is destroyed on Sebun the healing well for some reason no longer works, other walls/towers on the map being destroyed don't seem to cause that problem - just the gatehouse.

[Baron_Jan_Willem_XVII]

Map named Reclamation needs more anti-cav measures on spawn for siege team, today. Cav kept spawn killing to no end because it was swadians as defense vs sarranids as siege. Made the match not fun at all whatsoever. This has been a continueing problem that I haven't seen fixed yet.

[GrafBlade]

I'd like to request to enable gate opening from both sides for defenders.

 

The maps I have in mind right now are Peaks of Interest and Dara Castle.

 

Peaks: The new destroyable gate infront of flag can only be opened from the flag side from defenders. So if flag is in danger at the beginning via tunnel (esp. with Nords as attacker) they make a fast and hard push

            to flag with only a few experienced defenders noticing it. Once others notice they stay infront of that gate (from the outer side) but can't open it. So they have to take an extra way to defend their own flag, using

            the side doors.

 

Dara: The destroyable gate protecting the flag yard. Attackers do a mass attack on tunnel and most defenders again don't even know about that way and take it the actually logical way and go the outer wall to defend

          this one. Back gets overrun and defenders suddenly stay infront of a closed gate they can't open (to get to the flag yard). Round over.

 

The question behind my thoughts is simple: Why aren't defenders able to open their own gates from the outer side? (at least on this 2 maps) I don't see a reason for this.

[Horatius]

I'd like to request to enable gate opening from both sides for defenders.

 

The maps I have in mind right now are Peaks of Interest and Dara Castle.

 

Peaks: The new destroyable gate infront of flag can only be opened from the flag side from defenders. So if flag is in danger at the beginning via tunnel (esp. with Nords as attacker) they make a fast and hard push

            to flag with only a few experienced defenders noticing it. Once others notice they stay infront of that gate (from the outer side) but can't open it. So they have to take an extra way to defend their own flag, using

            the side doors.

 

Dara: The destroyable gate protecting the flag yard. Attackers do a mass attack on tunnel and most defenders again don't even know about that way and take it the actually logical way and go the outer wall to defend

          this one. Back gets overrun and defenders suddenly stay infront of a closed gate they can't open (to get to the flag yard). Round over.

 

The question behind my thoughts is simple: Why aren't defenders able to open their own gates from the outer side? (at least on this 2 maps) I don't see a reason for this.

Because there is no such advanced system as a key, so you can only open a gate from 1 side when it is closed.

I think warband native doors are made like this,

def can open both ways->att cannot open from both way

def can open 1 way->att can open 1 way (same way).

don't think that a combo of this exists, KA needs to correct me on that tho.

[GrafBlade]

@Horatius

That's exactly the point I concluded my thoughts from: If I can open doors from both sides as defender, why shouldn't this work for
Gates as well?

And yes, a combination would be the best, like Defenders can open from both sides, attackers only from the inner side

[phil-x]

Hey,

 

i just played on the server and there was a map called "Sykarnom". The map is really bad, the attackers dont have a good chance, some attackers were just camping gate, also there are tons of glitches on this map as other players also complained about the map during the stay. I really don't like the map, it looks also pretty weird and the surroundings dont fit to the "town, castle?". ... I lost interest in playing because of that bad map and the unbalance going on.

[BlackDeath]

a map called "Sykarnom". The map is really bad, the attackers dont have a good chance, some attackers were just camping gate

Do you mean that attackers can't win? this map was always bad for defenders, never for attackers, and was re-edited many times to improve balance for defenders (and I think that is not balanced at 100% for them still)

[phil-x]

Hey,

ok that might be then, but that time the Defenders had the better players and there was litterally nothing happening for attackers, either they got killed by glitches (door glitch, made it hard to even get in from breakable door side+they camped gatehouse so that the other side also was closed all the time. If the gate is open it might be balanced. So it depends, but i still dont like the map that much. It's just kinda boring and the surroundings dont fit to the town.

 

I meant defenders in my first post sry (Defenders were camping gatehouse)*

[Falcon]

The bullet launchers on Mud Gate should be replaced, they're far too OP for both attackers and defenders. Usually attackers end up being spawn killed until the checkpoint is reached and it's far too easy later on as an attacker to spam the flag area with it. They shouldn't be on any map imo.

[Remono]

I'd suggest to replace them with arrow/spear launchers. Still powerful but not as abusive as gun launchers.

 

edit: same could be done on overseers post where the launcher is basically a spawnrape

[BlackDeath]

The bullet launchers on Mud Gate should be replaced, they're far too OP for both attackers and defenders. Usually attackers end up being spawn killed until the checkpoint is reached and it's far too easy later on as an attacker to spam the flag area with it. They shouldn't be on any map imo.

This things are good-practice for the attackers (captains) "change" their poor mind onboard ships, moving them straight to front of map...

Is easy to avoid launchers/catapults by landing ships at sides (little bit far of center) of map.

 

 

edit: same could be done on overseers post where the launcher is basically a spawnrape

this map is disabled until we can edit/fix this and more

[Falcon]

This things are good-practice for the attackers (captains) "change" their poor mind onboard ships, moving them straight to front of map...

Is easy to avoid launchers/catapults by landing ships at sides (little bit far of center) of map.

 

Yes there should be a penalty for mindlessly taking the ships forwards but bullet launchers are completely broken, they're practically a 1 shot instant kill. As Remeno said, arrow or spear launchers would be more suited - they would still make ship landing positions important. It also doesn't help that trolls often try to take the boats back towards the spawn and landing right at the front is the only option, people shouldn't be punished for that by OP launchers.

[Kapitan_Pronin]

A map with two treb and a flag on the mountain with a gate. It is necessary to remove respawn from the flag area. When the server 100+ players on this card is difficult to go to gate itself, and when you reach the flag, then there are already two-handed fighters who is re-emerged. It's card, when more players, is impossible to capture.

 

Hadrian’s Wall - yesterday there was a bug with the destruction of the gate with 2 or the 3 hit from it at treb. The picture of the gate was broken and it was impossible to destroy it. Outside the gate became transparent, it was impossible to get out of them when entering

[Horatius]

A map with two treb and a flag on the mountain with a gate. It is necessary to remove respawn from the flag area. When the server 100+ players on this card is difficult to go to gate itself, and when you reach the flag, then there are already two-handed fighters who is re-emerged. It's card, when more players, is impossible to capture.

Hadrian’s Wall - yesterday there was a bug with the destruction of the gate with 2 or the 3 hit from it at treb. The picture of the gate was broken and it was impossible to destroy it. Outside the gate became transparent, it was impossible to get out of them when entering

First map, we have a few of these maps. Which do you mean?
Second map, you have screenshots of this? I have never heard this before, neither seen.